Minutes of the
Etsy Treehouse Meeting July 9th, 2008,
with Maria Thomas and Rob Kalin (clean copy)--------------------------------------------------------------------------Rokali:
ok so I am going to close general chat. hi everyone, this is Maria to my left.
pesmou:
yes, Maria is Pesmou, hello!
Rokali:
okee, first up, a couple basic items: we're not going to use video because with this many people in the room it crashes people's computers.
Next up, there's a question que, if you have a question you'd like to ask, please do it thusly: type /ask Your Question Here. this will add your question to the queue, and we'll pick from this list.
pesmou:
hi everyone, tonight we're holding office hours at 7 pm ET. we realize this may not be a convenient time for all Etsians worldwide. in the future, we'll try to vary times, so more people can participate. so, that's it for housekeeping.
i wanted to kick off by saying thanks to all of you for such a warm welcome. many of you have seen the articles that Rob and I wrote for the Storque last week. if you have not, they are here: http://www.etsy.com/storque/section/etsyNews/article/the-long-view-rob-maria/2150/
i wanted to reiterate some key thoughts from my article.
first, i am listening. that's what we want to do tonight. we're here to listen. we're not going to have all the answers that you may be looking for. for example, i know that some of you have been asking about a timeline to for what's coming up on Etsy.com or what's in our pipeline so to speak. that's not something we can offer tonight. however, you should know that I consider one of my primary responsibilites at Etsy the development of a more formalized process for establishing priorities based on many inputs, including listening to all of you. i think it's important to develop within Etsy a process by which we identify, scope and prioritize projects and develop more formalized release cycles.
so, i have started this process within Etsy. as i mentioned in
Rokali: (she's really cracking the whip, I assue you)you may have noticed that in the last few weeks we've released a number of smaller (and some larger) projects that were in the queu. for example, fulfilling our 4 month process to Vintage and Supplies sellers, fixing views, and several other things that i think many of you have been asking for. i'm not syaing we've got it all right. we don't. so, i want you to know that i am listening not only to what's going on in the Forums (the Forum moderators update me every day,; thank you Forum moderators!) and i am talking regularly with our customer support staff. i am reading lots of customer emails and understand that some of you are not fully satisfied with Etsy's customer support. i cannot say that i fully understand yet what all the issues may be but I do know that there is a hard working group of folks here at Etsy who are committed to customer support.
One last point from me before Rokali jumps back in. i mentioned this in my Storque article and I want to say it again here: Etsy has grown fairly quickly and part of my role at the company is to help it grown, mature an thrive for the long-term. for that, i am going to need help. we're going to be looking for a few folks to help ..a few folks with deep experience across disciplines
...a few folks who have helped compnaies move through growth phases and have helped "scale" businesses, to help share their experiences with the amazingly creative staff at Etsy. so, from me: get the people and the process in step and the product will follow.
Rokali:
OK, let's head on over to the question queue.
first, a preface. There are a number of questions in the queue that warrant a yes or no answer, and for many of these, we do not have a yes or no answer right now. If you feel that this means this whole meeting is fluff, we're sorry. What we're doing here is important, in the bigger picture. We're listening to what you want, and we want to create the best marketplace we can.
Does this mean a marketplace with a dolls & miniatures top-level category? Our answer is this: we *do* want a section of the site for these items, but we are not sure if the right answer is a top-level category. We're re-examining the entire category structure, and as part of this project we're taking all the suggestions. We see the enormous support for dolls & miniatures, so that's certainly in our minds as we plan.
We hear you loud & clear. we know you've even been in this room for a while before we arrived. we really respect that. this approach to categories applies to the other requests for new top-level categories (fine art, mosaics, there are many). we're approaching this as the major proejct it is. we're doing our homework and your voices are being heard. so, we're going to move onto other q's in the queue.
thecraftykitten asks, "Is it possible to receive a transcript of this meeting?"pesmou:
we're recording minutes of these office hours and we'll publish them in the Storque.
CombustionGlassworks asks, "Why no Vacation Mode? We Need it."pesmou:
i am aware of this and know that it is something that's been asked for; it is on our current project list. i cannot give you a completion date but it is there and work is starting.
cms36451 asks, "how many people are staffed within Etsy?"Rokali:
we keep our About page up to date, so you can always go and see who works here. there right now it's just over 60 employees, though it still feels like a small family.
dancingcircle asks, How "large" does Etsy plan to become?pesmou:
hi dancingcircle. first, i think you asked earlier about Etsy hiring folks over thirty. well, i;m in the over 40 crowd. it's a little hard to breath up here but we're doing ok! seriously, i think it's less about age and more about experience and attitude. so, as I already mentioned, Etsy will be looking for a few folks with deep experience is functional areas to help us do things we haven't done before. how large will we grow? we don't have a specific goal for a number of staff. i think the more important issue is: what are we ttrying to build and how many people does it take to do that well? so, without going on too impolitiely long, i will say simply that i think Etsy, with you help, has a huge opportunity in front of it to create an amazing and fun global marketplace where people can experience the stories behind interetsing, high quality items.
juliebcreative asks, "other than coop advertising, does etsy plan to do its own advertising or techniques to get new buyers onto the site?"Rokali:
Yes, we do plan on advertising, especially to demographics that don't know much about Etsy yet. most of the world doesn't know what Etsy is it, which is a big opportunity. we just want to make sure we spend our resources wisely, because a lot of advertising is extremely expensive.
dancingcircle asks, "does Etsy plan to directly 'compete' with Ebay/Amazon, etc. for the handmade market?"Rokali:
the web is an open platform, for the most part. so just by having an ecommerce site, we're competing with them. there are more handmade items on Etsy than eBay or Amazon, from my research, so we're already larger than them in this respect.
sherrytruitt asks, "thanks. I'm most interested to know your plan to protect the integrity of the site from the daily influx of resellers."pesmou:
this reminds me that some of you have been asking about Etsy's flagging system. i m aware of the issues and we do have a project in the pipeline that will, when completed, make the flagging process more seamless for both those reporting flags and staff receiving them. that should help us at least scope the problem and begin to more systematically identify solutions.
juliebcreative asks, "Do you find it diffucult to balance what the users want and the direction in which you want etsy to go in, or are they usually parallel desires?"Rokali:
this is a great question. what you all say has a big impact on what we do and what we want to do. the difficult part is launching everything quickly. the first step is our own internal prioritized list, and we have that. the next steps are sharing what we can with everyone.
Art2ArtColorado asks, "Do you have any specific marketing or ad campaign plans for the holiday season?"pesmou:
we're working on our holiday planning now. we don't yet have plans for an ad campign per se, but we are organizing our messaging, press kits and trying prioritize site features that we think are particularly important around holidays.
Rokali:
one more point on the previous question: we understand that Etsy members gauge our work by new features. We don't have anyone requesting a better internal process for getting work done here. But that's certainly a prerequisite for the new features you want.
CatherineMarissa asks, "What is the plan for marketing to new buyers (maybe in a variety of demographics)?"Rokali:
we're identifying the best way to reach people. there's a basic formular which runs like this:
Acquisition > Conversion > Retention
Acquisition is getting people here.
conversion is getting them to buy something.
retention is keeping them as a customer.
a lot of you see these challenges with your own shops. we are indeed focusing on getting more and more buyers here. in a sense, lots of buyers is the best feature Etsy can offer, but of course we know you need a lot more than that. so right now, we're doing our research target demographics.
GreenMamba asks, "When will Etsy eliminate the need to re-list for exposure - the site is too big and membership too large to rely on such a limited and unfairly-weighted system."pesmou:
this is a very good question. i don't think it's about the size of the site as much as it is about the user experince. my goal is to create a search function that serves the users...allows for various forms of fiiltering and narrowing search so that users can more easily and quickly find their way to great stuff on Etsy.
Rokali:
(related question:)
TasGems asks, "what changes are going to be made to search?"Rokali:
the personalized search would work so well on Etsy, and it's a big technical challenge we're gearing up for. so, i think we have to think of search as a function for users (as Google did). later on, we may find that there is a way to simultaneously serve sellers withthe same function, so that's definitely on my mind.
I'm going to do a quick poll on this topic, because there are a couple different ways to look at search: form the buyer's perspective and the seller's
from the buyer's perspective: I just want to see what I want.
from the seller's perspective: I am going to be a bit territorial, so imagine if we had a relevancy engine that knew "If I buy items A and B, I will probably want to buy item C". so, if I'm a buyer, and I'm looking at Item A, it's helpful to me if I can see Item C on the same page. but that might mean, putting another seller's items on your item view page.
let's do a quick yay or nay on this.
Please vote: Would you approve of related items on an item view page, if it meant items form other sellers?Rokali:
ok, interesting, I'm just putting this out there, this isn't something we're about to launch.
ok, oll over
Vote results: 43 yay, 68 nay, 39 abstain.thanks for that.
TasGems asks, "are there plans in the short term to help international sellers eg ability to pay etsy fees by paypal?"pesmou:
we are looking at enabling all sellers (not just int'l sellers) to pay their Etsy fees via PayPal. We don't have a full solution yet, but we're working on it.
sarahleeab asks, "Rob, in the storque article you said that your role with Etsy will be changing. How so?"Rokali:
it's been a great learning experience for me, watching Maria work here. it's one of those things, where you start a company, and it grows so quickly, and with a Web company, we can't ever close shop at 5pm to clean up watching her work has shown me two things.
1) what I'm personally best at
2) what she's better than I am at doing.
I love Etsy and I'll keep giving it my all, but I want to do it in a way that's best for me & for Etsy. this will certainly mean more product work, and I'd like to get bakc in the forums more. Maria's strengths are with the running the organization, finances, planning, so we'll play to her strengths, and play to mine.
miriam asks, "don't you need staff located in portugal?"pesmou:
we have two Portugese speakers on staff!
dancingcircle asks, "Will The Storque be revamped?"pesmou:
we're looking at content and commerce and how they can best work together. we understand that Storque is currently fuflilling at least two roles: Etsy News & more of a lifestyle blog featuring content that refelcts Etsy's values. so, we're looking at how to best present both types of content.
stonesoupjewelry asks, "How would you describe your vision for what Etsy will become? Does the scope of the future as you see it continue to include supplies/vintage as part of the main site?"Rokali:
yes, we think Supplies & Vintage can fit in, and that they're also useful to crafters. we udnerstand there's some work to do on HOW they fit in, and we'll hold more focused discussions on this issue.
cms36451 asks, "could you all give us some pointers as to how to better promote out shops and generate more sales?"pesmou:
there are regular shop critiques offers via the virtual labs,just check the schedule. in addiiton, there is an entire series in the Storque geared towards marketing tips for your shop. Lastly the Forums are a great place to get marketing tips for your shop from other Etsy sellers.
BoutiqueCandle asks, "I find that my demographic - mid 40s - would be prime candidates as Etsy shoppers and yet none seem to know of it until I educate them."Rokali:
it'd help us if you could tell us where you look, where you'd see an Etsy ad that you'd follow up on, so please email press@etsy.com with any ideas and we'll gladly follow up with you.
TasGems asks, "how are communications going to be improved?"Rokali:
we've taken a step back and looked at all the ways we communicate and where people look. and we're revamping how that works. we know Etsy News stuff gets a bit buried in the Storque, and we simply want to put info where as many people will see it so that's our goal as we revamp.
mostlyart asks, "do you want to keep etsy more a "crafter" site than finer arts? In your heart, is that what you want? crafts/crafters?"
Rokali:
I don't think there needs to be such a divide. there can be room for both, as long as the website is nimble enough. it's like this "alt craft" thing.
Please vote: Have you heard the term Alt Craft before?Rokali:
"Alt Craft" is this term invented by some folks to refer to Etsy. they see us as some new wave, which just seems silly to me.
Vote results: 25 yay, 85 nay, 30 abstainanyhow, there are many different items, people, and tastes here, and the beauty of a website is we have unlimited shelf space, so to speak.
FlowerBedHead asks, "Rob do you feel like ESTY is growing in the same direction you had originally envisioned?"Rokali:
yes and no. I envisioned it'd all be much more straightforward. at one time, I thought we'd never need more that 10 employees to run the whol company. on the other hand, the spirit of connection people is here in abundance. sometimes my desk job duties pull me away a bit too much, and I don't see the sunshine much. but we're working it out, it'll keep changing. I want Etsy to exist for 100 years.
pesmou: I i can confirm that he doesn't see much sun)Rokali:
we'll take a couple more questions form the queue. there are still a bunch in there we didn't get to, and for those, you can convo me directly to discuss them, or we can talk about them next time.so, last couple.
BululuStudio asks, "what's the next great (short term) change for Etsy?"Rokali:
we've said this before and I'll say it again here because I really believe it. there are wonderful changes going on inside Etsy, insofaras how we get work done. this will become visible to everyone here once these new processes gain hold. that's what I'm most excited about. other than that, there's bigger picture stuff like seller stats, currency conversion, things like that. ok, last question, and Maria is going to take it
WindysDesigns asks, "Maria what brought you to Etsy?"pesmou:
for starters, the idea that a company would actually do something like this, build an amazing interface and *talk* to its customers and users. and, authenticity, opportunity and the challenge of building a lasting business i talked about some of these things and my background in my introdcutory video which you can see on the Storque: http://www.etsy.com/storque/section/etsyNews/article/introducing-maria-thomas/1660/
pesmou:
thank you all for participating and for asking great questions
Rokali:
and thanks to everyone for coming
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